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my points come as below
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1.) God allowed satan to exist
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2.) Satan gave and encouraged free thought
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3.) God is hypocritical
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4.) God murders countless people
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So you're saying that God created the world out of malice attempting to in a way form a dictatorship, and the devil saw this was wrong, turned against hm, and encouraged us to think on our own..... Woah xD
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well god told adam and eve not to eat the apple because it contained knowledge of good and evil. This means god was trying to keep us from knowledge
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also his punishment was extremely severe since we had no idea of good and evil at the time therefore could not know it was wrong. In that sense the "devil" gave us free though
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@Llew True... I don't really have anything to counter what you're saying. I mean it's just as likely as God being good... Besides the fact that the bible says to love everyone and help people
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Idk but we'll find out in the end wont we?
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@Llew Well he kinda just told them not to. We're meant to be obedient and follow his orders... But he knew when he made them they wouldn't listen to him. I just don't understand why there's this world and hell. Why wouldn't he just make people that he knows are good and put them into heaven, instead of "testing us"
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plus the amount of people killed by satan in the bible is 10 whereas the amount who die from an act of god is estimated at around 25 000 000 i think
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@Llew Jesus! That's a lot! But the people that were killed from God were killed for good reasons, right? They were bad people who have done evil because I'd the temptations from the devil
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What it could be is the devil doesnt tempt people but gave them the ability to identify good and evil. This means he doesnt push them to it, it just means he made us aware of what we're doing is good and wrong therefore possibly influencing our decisions towards good
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whereas god would punish us of doing things wrong wether we were aware of it or not
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No, God tells us "don't do this or this or this or this or be this....." the devil makes us want to do the things the bible tells us not to (supposedly)
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which would imply that god doesn't want us thinking freely since he is telling us what we can and cannot do. Satan gave us the ability to make a knowledgable choice
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@Llew It does imply that God doesn't want us to think freely (which is why I'm not for strictly following a religion), but it's not saying Satan gave us choices. The choices were already in front of us, but without Satan we deny the unholy choices and chose the better paths. Satan makes us want make decisions that are immoral in the eyes of God
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But if satan hadn't made adam amd eve eat the apple we would be unaware of good and evil therefore meaning we would do things without knowing if it was wrong or not but be punished by god nontheless. By making man eat the apple he made us aware of good and evil therefore aware of if what we were doing was wrong
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@Llew They would know if things were good or bad because God would tell them just like they told them the apple is bad. God would list all of the things they cannot do, and punish them if the went against his word
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Which is a dictatorship implying he doesnt want us to think freely implying he was trying to keep us on a leash whereas satan gave us more freedom than we would have under god
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@Llew Yes, it is that- an absolute dictatorship in which he even dictates our thoughts. But is Satan really better? What if he also wants an absolute dictatorship but with the morals flip flopped? What if he wants to take God's place as dictator, and to make everything God stands for to be banned, and all the things God hates to be prevalent? Then they are in a sense the same
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I just thought of something.. What if God & Satan were Aliens from different planets? & were trying to persuade humans join either sides? Ahh!!! Gotcha thinking huh?!!!😎
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but the fact that satan gave us freedom where god wouldnt implies that satan isnt interested in keeping us on a leash and wants mankind to flourish
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@uranakaS Well I guess they kinda are if you replace planets with heaven and hell XD that sounds like something that's be on the history channel show "Ancient Aliens". That show is full of bullshit
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@👑MirandaKnowsWhat'sUp👑
Yeah I got it from History Channel 2 😅
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@uranakaS really? 😂 I don't know how they pass that shit off as history..,
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@Llew Didn't see that last comment, oops! But Satan doesn't really give us options. The options are already there. God tells us to choose the good option, Satan tells us to choose the bad option. They both do essentially the same thing except with opposite morals... Ya know what I'm sayin?
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so he doesn't give us freedom...
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but we're also forgeting that satan kills only twelve in the bible whereas god is responsible for millions
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Yea, but Satan causes the people God kills to be worthy of death by tempting them to do horrible things, right? Which means it's Satan's fault the died and in a way he killed them
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I don't believe in either of them so
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@#HCQ sweetcattiem👑 no same x
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Llew doesn't either but he still thinks about that kinda stuff, and I kinda don't
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Maybe I'm God😳
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u don't have to believe to appreciate the concept. I don't believe and find the subject riveting
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@Ethan
God I've been a good boy I swear cross my heart😳 Are we still cool that I still aspire to be a Gynecologist?😓
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@🎩Llew🎩 oh I do find it interesting, just don't believe in it
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@#HCQ sweetcattiem👑 fair enough. Not very believable though is it
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@🎩Llew🎩 nope, don't want to offend anyone but it's baltently made up
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@MickeyCat(Sakanaru) naw you'll burn in hell
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@Ethan
😭
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@#HCQ sweetcattiem👑 i mean, two of every single species in the earth fit on an ark?
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@🎩Llew🎩
Why did Noah leave the Unicorns behind? Was he afraid they were gonna put holes all over his Ark?😰
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wtf
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@MickeyCat(Sakanaru) actually they were on, went on a rampage, ate all the dodos and so god cursed them and turned them to rhinos
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Oh lord
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@#HCQ sweetcattiem👑 it makes sense
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@🎩Llew🎩 surely god wouldn't let that happen in the first place
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@#HCQ sweetcattiem👑 he would cause he's a bitch
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I don't get this, it's all so confusing?!!!
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@MeganChelseaT what the question?
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@MeganChelseaT the beginning of this conversation made sense, now we're all just messing with each other lol
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@🎩Llew🎩 yeah and the conversation!!
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@👑MirandaKnowsWhat'sUp👑 oh kk thanks x😹
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@MeganChelseaT the question says that god is against us and the devil is helping us
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@🎩Llew🎩 is that actually true??!🙀
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I don't think I believe that
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its a possibility. I made some points about it at the beginning of the comments
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I agree with #HCQ sweetcattiem👑
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@🎩Llew🎩 ok
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@🎩Llew🎩
😂 Ok yeah that make sense👍
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Ahh now it makes sense! 👍
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@MickeyCat(Sakanaru) u can laugh but look at the start of the comments there are some pretty good points
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@🎩Llew🎩
I know I know I was laughing about the Noah's ark thing..😆
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@MickeyCat(Sakanaru) oh ok sorry my bad
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@🎩Llew🎩 this is so interesting! : )
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thanks
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How about neither exist? There is no hard proof of any god or even satan for that matter, unless someone dies and comes back with hard evidence of heaven/hell/god/etc I believe that neither exist
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@Ashley the question isn't debating the existence. The question is about that what some people believe could be looked at another way.
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satan isn't the good guy here and god doesn't "murder" people like you said at the beginning of the comments, he saves them from this world and takes them to a land where everything is perfect, but not if you refuse to accept him
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@Marisa 😝 well god has ordered the deaths of millions of people in the bible whereas the devil only killed 10
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Well that would defeat the point of satan. Unless you mean he supports the bad things we do
over 9 years ago
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Umm.. I don't know..
over 9 years ago
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