I remember when I went to church they told us a story where God was talking to the Devil about this one very rich man who had tons of livestock and a big lot and many wives. The man prayed to God every night, but the devil said to God that the man wouldn't believe anymore if his riches were taken away. God said that his faith was stronger than that superficial BS and proved it to the devil by killing the mans livestock and wives, ruining the man's life, and going "ha see look! He still prays for me!"
But God is omniscient and he is incapable of lying because he is pure goodness. So why was there any need for murdering innocent women and animals? Why could he just tell the devil he is wrong and leave it there? Who kills people to prove a point? And yet it's told to kids as a good moral story about keeping faith no matter what but like it's horrible and disgusting and they treat the loss of these women's lives like nothing.
maybe he doesn't know we are faithful and maybe showing it is what makes christians better people than atheists because we are happy to believe in something and that life isn't completely worthless and there is no life after death. That's why. So get your head out of your ass.
@ĆäśśïëQüëëń But he does know; the Christian belief is that he's omniscient he knows everything. You had no counter argument at all because there is none. You're just bashing atheists instead (and ironically I'm not an atheist) The Bible is one large logical fallacy.
I got my head out of my ass years ago when I realized how fucked the religion I believed in really is.
How about we don't attack religions because we all seem to disagree in this world. You cannot defend one religion because we all believe different things. And no one on this earth knows the truth, so they believe theories. I believe in one thing and someone else believes in another. You shouldn't be posting this if you say there is no argument. You clearly like to post about controversial things and argue when most of them are solely someone's beliefs and opinions. We are all different. Don't attack others.
@🌸Miss_Mandi_Mae🌸 I like to post controversial things because they're thought provoking. It's good to challenge your beliefs because it instigates progression and personal growth.
People need to learn to think for themselves. I'm just nudging that process along with controversial debates, which are also fun when the people involved are reasonable.
I didn't even attack Christianity; I asked for a simple explanation of an aspect of their faith that I've yet to receive a suitable answer for.
I'm agnostic so I know nobody knows the truth and it's ironic that your insinuating that I don't considering my entire outlook on religion/spirituality is "anything is possible nobody knows" (for the most part because I do know when I see logical fallacies and I do challenge them because I enjoy thinking outside the box and coming to my own conclusions.)
Once again, no attacking in this question. Just a question. If anything I'm encouraging people to think about their faith and understand it better so reeaaallly 👋🏿
@🐫👑MirandaIsAware👑🐫 But you do post controversial things and when someone comments you tell them they are incorrect. Their argument isn't invalid, it's what they believe. Everyone is different and you can't tell someone they are wrong if its what they believe within their religion, like you said to Cassie
@🐫👑MirandaIsAware👑🐫 And by the way I wouldn't go around telling people a religion is "fucked" just because you don't agree with its teachings. Again my point is what you believe isn't always true, so don't try to make someone else agree or understand
@🌸Miss_Mandi_Mae🌸 Yes that's called a debate. I'm challenging them to see the counterarguments to what they believe, and either reassess what they believe or prove me wrong. You need to acknowledge arguments for what you support and counterarguments against that belief, assess them, and debunk things to come to an actual opinion. Listening to one side of the story gets you nowhere.
Sometimes people are incorrect and their arguments are less valid. This occurs when their argument consists of logical fallacies or other bad forms of rhetoric, and/or when someone cannot debunk counterarguments. Not everyone's beliefs are equally valid.
I can believe the sun is black all I want and ignore all counterarguments but my belief would still be wrong.
@🐫👑MirandaIsAware👑🐫 But you cannot argue something no one knows that answer to. You may be defending one belief and someone else may be defending another, but no one knows the truth. So arguing about this is pointless because there is no answer. Religion isn't something to debate about because of its diversity and uncertainty. Christians believe in God without seeing, hearing, or meeting him. It's faith. So for you to argue what someone wants to believe is wrong. I don't care if you are "counter arguing" but it is wrong when you can't prove anything and there is no solid answer that you are looking for.
@🌸Miss_Mandi_Mae🌸 Of course you can't argue something such as "does a higher being exist?" Because there's no way of knowing. I'll agree with you there.
This question, however, is something you can answer with logic.
If an all-knowing god exists, as believed in Christianity, then would he need you to demonstrate your faith in him?
This isn't completely abstract, this is a question that states if ____ then _____. These kinds of questions can be argued and can be solved worth logic because they are concrete.
@🐫👑MirandaIsAware👑🐫 People don't necessarily worship God because they have to. They worship him because they want to. There are many Christians that don't go to church regularly, but they still believe in Him. So arguing that everyone who believes in God must profess their faith in him is wrong, so the argument that he is all knowing but you have to prove you are faithful isn't true, because not every Christian does.
But there are many parts in the Bible, which is taken as the word of God, that says to pray, to worship him, to go to church, etc.
So if people can still be Christians and not do these things (as you said), and God doesn't need them to prove their faith, why is God asking people to worship him?
@🐫👑MirandaIsAware👑🐫 I am aware that it says that, but that doesn't mean they have to worship him. Some Christians are more involved than others. I cannot tell you why it says that because I am not God. I don't understand why you keep making this argument when the answer is unknown.
@🌸Miss_Mandi_Mae🌸 It's not an argument it's food for thought. Sure, no one knows for sure, be we can speculate, make theories, debunk bad hypothesis, etc. This doesn't have to be combative it's just something interesting to think about; that's all.
@🐫👑MirandaIsAware👑🐫 if it is "food for thought" 🙄 Then why is this still going. I am not trying to defend but this is annoying. If this isn't an argument what do you think an argument is. I believe it is two people with different opinions arguing on whose right. I'm not arguing with you I am saying this question is not okay. You clearly don't agree with someone commenting defending it ( or at least you counter everything they say relentlessly) so why bother? Do you like debating on topics that have no answer. I am confused. This question seems very pointless in the sense of sharpening the mind. It's just back and forth comments defending different things.
@🌸Miss_Mandi_Mae🌸 It was an argument until we actually started discussing the question itself instead of why/why not the question is trash. Or at least that's what I thought was happening here but I guess not so okay never mind let's not think about things and instead walk away awkwardly